How can ANYONE want to have a person who makes physicall threats against a member as a part of this organization? What kind of organization is it that will sanction death threats from one member to another on a public forum? This type of threat is sanctioned by the support of a few that Ray gets, the support of a certain group through complacency and defense. This is totally unacceptable and I will NOT be part of an organization of peace that sanctions this type of physical threat to another member. People need to speak up about this. This man is a danger to other members with whom he disagrees. He has threatened me with violence in the past and he now threatens someone else today:
On 8/28/07, Zwarich wrote:
Lord God, how I shudder any time I am 'engaged' in any way with this disgusting and despicable man. Like I said, just thinking about him makes my nostrils flare, and I feel the urge to spit. Fuck you, Rubenstein. Crawl back in your filthy hole, you disgusting snake. (As the old joke goes, calling this asshole a snake is an insult to snakes).
As this disgusting man knows full well, what he recounts here is a VERY typical, and completely untrue, bald-faced Rubensteinian LIE, very much like the one he recently told about Michael Albert leading me by the elbow out of the SDS Convention while I "whimpered like a whipped dog", (or whatever the fuck he said). Rubestein knows full well that he is lying. Right here in public, right out in broad daylight, this disgusting man shows us clearly that he has absolutely no compunction whatsoever about telling a completely fabricated lie, right through his ugly sneering mouth, whenever it suits his sinister purpose. (Is Burgess out there? maybe he'll tell us what he remembers).
Rubenstein, I am NOT 'bragging' about it in any way at ALL, but I know how to injure a man like Burgess VERY severely before he could ever even move to protect himself. Burgess was COMPLETELY unprotected when he approached me to do his goon's duty, and he obviously knows NOTHING about fighting. His most vulnerable 'points', to which a fatal blow could be quickly delivered, were completely exposed. But I knocked Burgess and the other goon, (Brian Kelly) back forcefully, to regain the dignity of my personal space, when they presented this physical threat to me. I do get a bit 'shaky' in situations like that, (I feel it in my knees), because I am painfully aware of my power to easily kill an unprotected man, and I realize that any situation like that would be exceeding dangerous should I ever lose my composure. I HATE this power that I have, I detest it because it frightens me. But I have it nonetheless.
YOU, Rubestein, are a soft-handed pot-bellied punk-ass, whose ass is hanging low and flaccid from so many years of sitting on it in the course of your illustrious career as an ambulance chaser. But you SO like to 'talk tough' long distance, don't you, punk-ass? From where I'm sitting right this minute, cupcake, I could be at your door within thirty minutes. What say you and I meet sometime SOON for a little talk. Just you and me, sweetheart. Nobody else. Let's have us a little 'heart to heart'. What say, punk-ass?
Sorry, folks, to subject you to this, but this is indeed a part of 'who I am', (though it is DEFINITELY not the part that I admire). I am indeed just a dumb old carpenter who has spent my life working and sweating side by side with the rough and READY men of the working class. You want to 'work with' the working class?? Well, get used to it, boys and girls. When you leave your bourgeois world behind, and enter the world of people who do hard physical labor for a living, this is the reality you are going to face, bigger than shit, right in front of you, and right in your face if you act like this punk-ass Rubestein so enjoys acting. People for whom severe physical pain is just a routine part of their daily lives see through punks like Rubestein very quickly, and they are quick to ACT when a man speaks fighting words to another man. On the job site, amongst such men, this is just how we 'do'. A punk-ass like this pot-bellied desk jockey Rubestein wouldn't last ten minutes among such men with his ridiculous tough guy act. One look at his pot belly, his soft hands, and his hanging ass, and NO one would hesitate for an instant in getting right up in his face pronto if he tried to pass off the ridiculous pretension of this tough guy persona among them.
Anyway...........(take a deep breath, you idiotic mountain monkey, Ray says to himself).......It is interesting here that Rubenstein confirms what I said about Buhle calling for the sergeant of arms and goons being dispatched over the floor to suppress the rights of the citizen-members of FDS during the meeting in NY. Thanks, Big Bad Brucie.
Zwarich
PS: We could meet 'under the highway', just like in 'West Side Story', Brucie, and if you think I'm kidding, cupcake, think some more. Gimme a call, sweetheart, and I'll be standing in front of you in thirty minutes. 913 908-8873.
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Reply to Monty's Propoganda
Monty, Sometimes you make sense, sometimes you simply distort reality to fit your beliefs. I won't even go into what is wrong about you saying that what I posted is "banning brigade" propoganda, it is not, it is an email from Ray. Even the term "banning brigade" is meant to be an insult, how will this ever stop? Yes members of the "banning brigade" have acted as asses and thrown insults, but to act as though they "introduced" the insults onto your knitting circle of a list is simply ludicrous. I honestly feel as though the personal insults were started by Ray, m(A)tt, Stephanie and Brian Kelly. These individuals hiked the bar way up there. No one is innocent of insults in the forum of the NLC, NO ONE(except maybe Les and Carlos). So where does it stop? Does it stop with ignoring issues and calling names? I haven't called any names in quite some time, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what my actual behavior is, it only matters what the label you and Ray place on me is, yet the two of you can't seem to understand why others label you.
You have been no less guil;ty of anything you charge the "banning brigade" with. You ALSO live in a glass house Monty.
Monty Kroopkin
"Monty, Sometimes you make sense, sometimes you simply distort reality to fit your beliefs."
This makes no sense. Monty never makes sense. Sense is to Monty what Kryptonite is to Superman.
"Yes members of the "banning brigade" have acted as asses and thrown insults,"
You're saying there is a banning brigade. So essentially you agree with Monty but
dispute his finer points.
Being a community -
Means, at some level, we do our best to work with even the worst parts of our siblings behavior. While I dissapprove of Ray's tone and use of the public forum in this way, I also see where he challenges Bruce more than he threatens him. It is one thing to claim another man was lead a way like a whipped puppy, (ie gloating over another's successful use of violence) and doing it to his face - I think any court of law would see that Bruce was goading him - and more to the point even - considering Bruce's public statements as to the poor state of Ray's mental health - he would be shown to be quite the bully, goading a mentally deficient working man the way he has been.
They both deserve to be spanked and sent to a room without supper! TOGETHER!!!!!!
a right of self-defense [please copy and forward this widely]
The Banning Brigade has very consciously engaged in a program to deprive sds/mds members of basic rights. They have employed a form of institutionalized violence insofar as their "ownership" of websites and listervs would not exist without the entire structure of Bourgeois Right, and the "'legitimatized" violence of state power that enforces Bourgeois Right. Kicking people off listservs, deleting entire listservs, unilaterally altering the political definitions of the group that are displayed on the group's websites, and holding the online membership rosters as private property are all acts of indirect violence. Indirect because the full violent force of the state props up the "right" of the "owners" to impose these decisions upon our sds/mds collective.
The derision and disrespect for criticisms (going back to Banning Brigade disregard of democratic decisions made for the 2006 SDS Convention and the controversy which arose following the 2006 convention's decision to approve the formation of MDS, Inc.) which the Banning Brigade has dished out, and the crude insults they introduced into our sds/mds conversation have predictably resulted in more of the same, escalation of anger and frustration.
There may well be some members of the Banning Brigade who still sincerely believe they are trying to "protect" our new organization. But it is clear to most who have watched all this unfold for a year and a half, that control is a real motive of their actions, and the organization needs to protect itself against the "protectors".
The Banning Brigade has clearly failed to win anything even close to majority support for censorship, for purging critics of the unelected and elected leadership, and for their conscious program to create an sds/mds based upon excluding entire segments of the Left (see Rubenstein's formal motion to bar Leninists, in the minutes of the meeting, reprinted below). I am no Leninist nor a member of any Leninist party, but I share with many members the firm belief that the original SDS's strengths derived from its openness and non-exclusionism. Members of the Banning Brigade controlling faction have abused their control (unelected) of MDS websites and listservs to block any development of any democratic MDS decision making process online and even want to prevent decisions from being made at the MDS meeting planned for Chicago. Why? The only plausible answer is to avoid a democratic structure from being implemented, which very likely would result in their own ouster from all positions of responsibility in the organization. To prolong their unelected control over our organization's means of communication and our membership rosters, they are blocking our democracy itself.
Faced with such scoundrels, members have a right to defend ourselves. Even the bourgeois United Nations recognizes the right of people living under a military occupation to resist that occupation with violence. The right of revolution is a right of self-defense. Non-violence is a strategy and a tactic. It is not the same as pacifism. sds/mds was never and should never be a pacifist group.
Currently, the Banning Brigade, having failed to win majority support for its anti-democracy, is trying to persuade us to split MDS officially (as though we had any democratic way to decide to). They are consciously trying to exacerbate and escalate our disputes toward that end. They would love to see pro-democracy people break off and form another organization, and leave them in control of stolen membership rosters. Instead, they must be removed from their positions of control and democratic processes for resolving differences must be implemented. If any of them truly care about building, not splitting, MDS, they will step aside from any and all levers of power (websites and listservs) and allow the group to elect their replacements.
We ought to work this out online, because that is where most of us can be included in the decisions. A physical meeting, in Chicago or elsewhere, simply will not garner the same amount of participation.
[note: the minutes below are a draft which was never approved by a subsequent MDS, Inc. meeting. ]
MINUTES
Movement for a Democratic Society (MDS), Incorporated
Teleconference
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October 11, 2006
Present: Thomas Good, Al Haber, Jay Jurie, Penny Rosemont, Bruce Rubenstein
Agenda: treasurers' report, discretionary (petty cash) spending, February 17th MDS meeting, MDS Board administrator, recognition of caucuses by MDS, structure committee, membership recruitment statement, MDS chapters, MDS Board composition.
Good and Jurie joined the meeting late due to connection difficulties.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): A monthly treasurer's report will be prepared and disseminated by Bruce Rubenstein. Seconded by Rosemont. Carried.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): the treasurer will have the ability to use discretion to issue checks in the amount of $100 for general expenses and $300 for bail. Multiple seconds. Carried.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): the next meeting of MDS will be held in New York City on February 17, 2006 and the NYC MDSers will take responsibility for all logistics. Carried.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): the MDS board will be populated by nominees put forth by MDS, Inc; students, and; others. Nominees shall be figures with national prominence and who are known to be non-sectarian. At the February 17th meeting of MDS (in New York) a slate will be presented. Individual nominees can be removed by introduction of a motion, should it carry. Seconded by Good. Carried.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): the MDS board needs an administrator (non-voting officer) to develop biographies for the public website and to do liaison work with the Board members. Devra Morice was nominated for this position. Seconded by Rosemont. Carried.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): No formal/official caucus will exist within MDS, Inc. No member of a Leninist Party can be a member of MDS. Discussion followed and the latter half of the motion (exclusionary criteria) was tabled. Haber agreed to work on appropriate language. Rosemont and Good proposed that MDS, Inc should be expressly anti-authoritarian. The caucus motion was seconded by Jurie and it carried.
Motion (introduced by Rubenstein): A structure committee composed of Jurie, Haber, Good, Rubenstein and Rosemont would look at documents in order to create a set of recommendations for a national (MDS) structure. This committee would work in concert with the Board administrator. After discussion this motion carried by consensus.
Haber introduced discussion on identifying member recruitment and preparing a membership recruitment statement as a goal. There was agreement this is essential.
Haber asked Good to identify all existing MDS chapters. They were: MDS New York, MDS Central Florida, MDS Northern Florida, MDS Los Angeles and MDS Alabama. New York and LA were identified as the most established chapters.
Haber introduced discussion of the composition of the MDS Board indicating a need to have it reflect the ethnic, gender (and other demographic), etc. composition of the US. Gender parity, racial parity and other issues were discussed and agreement was reached that the Board should reflect the makeup of the nation.
The meeting was adjourned at approximately 10:30 pm. Informal discussion followed.
Recorder:
Thomas Good
SDS/MDS New York City
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